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		<title>By: Three Flavors of Social Search: What to Expect - SxDSalon: A group blog on social interaction design</title>
		<link>http://brynnevans.com/blog/2009/01/30/why-social-search-wont-topple-google-anytime-soon/comment-page-1/#comment-2306</link>
		<dc:creator>Three Flavors of Social Search: What to Expect - SxDSalon: A group blog on social interaction design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] written previously about how social search won&#8217;t replace traditional search, how social relevancy rank may be used to deliver good results, and why the concept of social [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anatomy of a Paper about a Large-Scale Social Search Engine &#124; Sanjay Kairam</title>
		<link>http://brynnevans.com/blog/2009/01/30/why-social-search-wont-topple-google-anytime-soon/comment-page-1/#comment-2270</link>
		<dc:creator>Anatomy of a Paper about a Large-Scale Social Search Engine &#124; Sanjay Kairam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I discovered when working on our Social Search paper. It has been argued before (one small example here) that Google&#8217;s PageRank algorithm is inherently social, as it aggregates information provided [...]</description>
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<p>[...] I discovered when working on our Social Search paper. It has been argued before (one small example here) that Google&#8217;s PageRank algorithm is inherently social, as it aggregates information provided [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brynn Marie Evans &#187; Three Flavors of Social Search: What to Expect</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brynn Marie Evans &#187; Three Flavors of Social Search: What to Expect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] written previously about how social search won&#8217;t replace traditional search, how social relevancy rank may be used to deliver good results, and why the concept of social [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 3 &#8220;sabores&#8221; de búsqueda social &#124; ReadWriteWeb España</title>
		<link>http://brynnevans.com/blog/2009/01/30/why-social-search-wont-topple-google-anytime-soon/comment-page-1/#comment-2062</link>
		<dc:creator>3 &#8220;sabores&#8221; de búsqueda social &#124; ReadWriteWeb España</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Personalmente,opino que la búsqueda social no sustituirá a la búsqueda tradicional, que un alto índice de relevancia social puede usarse para obtener buenos resultados de búsqueda, y que el concepto de búsqueda social supone una vuelta a un entorno familiar, y no hay nada que temer al respecto. Hoy hablaremos más específicamente sobre los tras &#8220;sabores&#8221; de búsqueda social que mejorarán la experiencia de búsqueda de los usuarios. [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Personalmente,opino que la búsqueda social no sustituirá a la búsqueda tradicional, que un alto índice de relevancia social puede usarse para obtener buenos resultados de búsqueda, y que el concepto de búsqueda social supone una vuelta a un entorno familiar, y no hay nada que temer al respecto. Hoy hablaremos más específicamente sobre los tras &#8220;sabores&#8221; de búsqueda social que mejorarán la experiencia de búsqueda de los usuarios. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 3 Flavors of Social Search: What to Expect &#124; google android os blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>3 Flavors of Social Search: What to Expect &#124; google android os blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] written previously about how social search won&#8217;t replace traditional search, how social relevancy rank can be used to deliver good results, and why the concept of social [...]</description>
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		<title>By: halans</title>
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		<dc:creator>halans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then Google introduces an improved Profiles (together with your Gmail and Contacts and proximity with Latitude), and it all starts to come together, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then Google introduces an improved Profiles (together with your Gmail and Contacts and proximity with Latitude), and it all starts to come together, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: robspiro</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great writeup!  You&#039;ve presented a lot of interesting ideas here.  

You rightly point out that &quot;discussions&quot; are a key component of social search -- it&#039;s not just about getting a piece of information, it&#039;s about having an information exchange with a real person, that&#039;s what makes it social.  Sometimes you just want to have a conversation with someone who knows what they&#039;re talking about, who shares your general taste... the best Social Search solutions will make that effortless and instant.

And to correct the record about Aardvark a bit ;-) ...
- Aardvark is real-time (works via IM chat)
- Aardvark connects you to people with experience relevant to your question *in your network* (ie. friends and friends-of-friends) -- so &quot;experts&quot; is a bit misleading.

Looking forward to seeing where your research goes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great writeup!  You&#8217;ve presented a lot of interesting ideas here.  </p>
<p>You rightly point out that &#8220;discussions&#8221; are a key component of social search &#8212; it&#8217;s not just about getting a piece of information, it&#8217;s about having an information exchange with a real person, that&#8217;s what makes it social.  Sometimes you just want to have a conversation with someone who knows what they&#8217;re talking about, who shares your general taste&#8230; the best Social Search solutions will make that effortless and instant.</p>
<p>And to correct the record about Aardvark a bit <img src='http://brynnevans.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8230;<br />
- Aardvark is real-time (works via IM chat)<br />
- Aardvark connects you to people with experience relevant to your question *in your network* (ie. friends and friends-of-friends) &#8212; so &#8220;experts&#8221; is a bit misleading.</p>
<p>Looking forward to seeing where your research goes!</p>
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		<title>By: mbernst</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term &#039;social&#039; here seems overloaded: are we talking at the scale of social networks or at the scale of crowd computing?  It is true that the &#039;social&#039; in social psychology refers just as much to societies as it does to friends and family -- but at the same time my experience with Digg doesn&#039;t feel social in the same way as my experience with Facebook.

I think you&#039;re beating down the right track.  What are the particular failure modes of current internet search, and which of these can be most successfully approached via social mechanisms?  I agree with your point that early-phase information seeking tasks might be a great entrance point, since often this is where I don&#039;t even know what my query should be yet.  Often I find that asking a friend what I&#039;m looking for gives me the terms to get started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8217;social&#8217; here seems overloaded: are we talking at the scale of social networks or at the scale of crowd computing?  It is true that the &#8217;social&#8217; in social psychology refers just as much to societies as it does to friends and family &#8212; but at the same time my experience with Digg doesn&#8217;t feel social in the same way as my experience with Facebook.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re beating down the right track.  What are the particular failure modes of current internet search, and which of these can be most successfully approached via social mechanisms?  I agree with your point that early-phase information seeking tasks might be a great entrance point, since often this is where I don&#8217;t even know what my query should be yet.  Often I find that asking a friend what I&#8217;m looking for gives me the terms to get started.</p>
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		<title>By: brynn</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Manas: PageRank definitely has social elements, from giving a higher weighting to pages with more links to the programmers/researchers who decide which features to include in their algorithm. The whole web is social in this sense. 

I see two issues still. One is that user needs are still not being met by existing solutions (however &quot;social&quot; or &quot;unsocial&quot; the algorithms may be). The other is that most of the social solutions that users do have access to today are in the style of collective harvesters. You&#039;re right that Google&#039;s search results are social in the sense that they are filtered by webmasters, but is that meaningful to you? I think it would be more meaningful is information were filtered through *your* social graph. 

This issue is related to how important trust will be in social search. One paper (albeit in the organizational learning literature) found that trust was important for open-ended searches maybe more so than for well-defined problems. If this is true on the web, then the massively pooled social data that are Google&#039;s current results, hence lacking an element of trust, may not be useful for the majority of searches that are exploratory in nature. (Although I think having personalized social recommendations could help with well-defined search queries too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Manas: PageRank definitely has social elements, from giving a higher weighting to pages with more links to the programmers/researchers who decide which features to include in their algorithm. The whole web is social in this sense. </p>
<p>I see two issues still. One is that user needs are still not being met by existing solutions (however &#8220;social&#8221; or &#8220;unsocial&#8221; the algorithms may be). The other is that most of the social solutions that users do have access to today are in the style of collective harvesters. You&#8217;re right that Google&#8217;s search results are social in the sense that they are filtered by webmasters, but is that meaningful to you? I think it would be more meaningful is information were filtered through *your* social graph. </p>
<p>This issue is related to how important trust will be in social search. One paper (albeit in the organizational learning literature) found that trust was important for open-ended searches maybe more so than for well-defined problems. If this is true on the web, then the massively pooled social data that are Google&#8217;s current results, hence lacking an element of trust, may not be useful for the majority of searches that are exploratory in nature. (Although I think having personalized social recommendations could help with well-defined search queries too.)</p>
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		<title>By: manas.tungare.name/</title>
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		<dc:creator>manas.tungare.name/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brynn,

I&#039;ve always thought of Google&#039;s PageRank as the ultimate social algorithm. (A page is ranked higher when more people vote for it by placing a link to it.) Of course, the &quot;people&quot; here are not web users, but webmasters, but that only narrows down the set of people who you&#039;re getting your search recommendations from; not the fundamental nature of the ranking algorithm.

How does this viewpoint supplement/coexist with your thoughts about social search and a pure non-social search engine?</description>
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<p>Hi Brynn,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought of Google&#8217;s PageRank as the ultimate social algorithm. (A page is ranked higher when more people vote for it by placing a link to it.) Of course, the &#8220;people&#8221; here are not web users, but webmasters, but that only narrows down the set of people who you&#8217;re getting your search recommendations from; not the fundamental nature of the ranking algorithm.</p>
<p>How does this viewpoint supplement/coexist with your thoughts about social search and a pure non-social search engine?</p>
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